Yeah but their almost 54% winning percentage puts them right where Dipoto wants them.
mysterysackerfice
Just out of curiosity. Is it a bad approach? Bad hitters? Everyone suddenly went blind this season? Opposing pitchers smell blood in the water?
TheDangiestSlad
the A’s are also like, right there
technowhiz34
If the A’s have to ship out Rooker, I hope he goes to the Mariners. Both because I like the Mariners but also, he’d help them reach this goal.
1005thArmbar
Cal Raleigh is leading the league with 109 strikeouts. I like it when he hits home runs but with a 96 OPS+ (look, he’s a catcher, I get it, he’s legally allowed to hit under .300 and still be valuable), I’m afraid that 5-10 years from now, he’s going to fully turn into Mike Zunino. I say this as someone who actually liked Zunino whe he was on the team
Julio’s at 101 strikeouts because he inexplicably changed his swing last off-season and has an 85 OPS+
It’s no coincidence that the Mariners strike out so much and that our offense has also struggled. The old adage is « a strikeout is better than a double play » which, on its surface, I obviously agree with. However, hitting the ball into play doesn’t guarantee a double play, especially if you’re fast enough to beat out the throw to first 8 out of 10 times. A strikeout also doesn’t advance any runners like putting the ball into play might
The « swing for the fences every time because a homer is a guaranteed run and therefore the most valuable, who cares if you strike out a bunch? » seems to have been adopted by the team, which, again, seems logical, but if you accept that mentality, you’re going to watch a lot of innings where the lead-off hitter hits a double off the wall and spends the next 5 minutes on 2nd base while the next two guys strike out and the third batter hits a warning track flyout to end the inning
Finally, as a team, we also seem to be bad at interpreting analytics. I still think about Scott Servais explaining why bringing in Robbie Ray to face Yordan Alvarez in the playoffs, despite the millions of people watching around the world knowing they were about to witness a walk-off, was actually the correct decision based on some piece of analytics that he was presumably ordered to follow before the game. Analytics are an important and valuable resource but all the data in the world doesn’t help if you use it to make stupid choices
Anyway I guess the point of all this is that the Mariners got rid of Eugenio Suarez and Teoscar Hernandez under the guise of « we have to cut down on strikeouts » because they presumably didn’t want to reveal the reason that they knew Suarez’ production was going to fall off a cliff and Teoscar’s .305 OBP combined with questionable fielding wasn’t worth keeping around. Unfortunately, their chosen explanation doesn’t work if they don’t actually do anything to cut down on strikeouts the following season, which they haven’t, unless the hitting coaches are saying « put the ball into play more, stop striking out » and the players are saying « fuck off, I want more home runs so I can make more money in free agency » but that doesn’t seem like it’s the case and also, if everyone on the team is ignoring the hitting coach, you have deeper issues that need to be solved first
jfrodriguez1983
How did they get rid of Hernandez and Suarez, who led the AL in strikeouts last season and got worse?
lubedupnoob
At least we’ll be the best at something 🥲
Tashre
You’ll thank us later when we get the mound lowered again.
fan131313
And yet they are still leading the AL west. Mighty impressive if you ask me.
Alarming_Opening4109
I mean hey, it’s a new record (hang in there Seattle fans, it’ll be okay!
SexiestPanda
That can’t be. Jerry made a huge emphasis to cut down on strikeouts!
The_Throwback_King
Top 4 Worst Seasons for Strikeouts in Mariners history
Rank|Year|Number of Strikeouts :–|:–|:– 1|2023|1,603 2|2019|1,581 3|2021|1,492 4|2022|1,397 -|*2024*|*950*
The 2024 Mariners will probably hit 1K SOs in around 5-6 games, which would put them at 23rd in franchise history. 23rd in franchise history…WITH over 61 extra games to build upon it.
Jerry and Scott aren’t exactly…good at fixing the SO problem.
oogieball
I know the kids don’t hate the Ks asich as they did back in the day, but this is ridiculous.
FuriousGeorge7
The Mariners’ personal mission as an organization is to make sure that both teams strike out as much as possible.
GotMoFans
White Sox fans looking at this year’s Sox strikeout rate…
![gif](giphy|3o84szW0PrWZyUv0mA)
StartingToLoveIMSA
…and they’re in first place!!!
gottagetitgood
SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE!
This is boring as hell and we shouldn’t take it anymore!
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Records are meant to broken! *cries*
Yeah but their almost 54% winning percentage puts them right where Dipoto wants them.
Just out of curiosity. Is it a bad approach? Bad hitters? Everyone suddenly went blind this season? Opposing pitchers smell blood in the water?
the A’s are also like, right there
If the A’s have to ship out Rooker, I hope he goes to the Mariners. Both because I like the Mariners but also, he’d help them reach this goal.
Cal Raleigh is leading the league with 109 strikeouts. I like it when he hits home runs but with a 96 OPS+ (look, he’s a catcher, I get it, he’s legally allowed to hit under .300 and still be valuable), I’m afraid that 5-10 years from now, he’s going to fully turn into Mike Zunino. I say this as someone who actually liked Zunino whe he was on the team
Julio’s at 101 strikeouts because he inexplicably changed his swing last off-season and has an 85 OPS+
It’s no coincidence that the Mariners strike out so much and that our offense has also struggled. The old adage is « a strikeout is better than a double play » which, on its surface, I obviously agree with. However, hitting the ball into play doesn’t guarantee a double play, especially if you’re fast enough to beat out the throw to first 8 out of 10 times. A strikeout also doesn’t advance any runners like putting the ball into play might
The « swing for the fences every time because a homer is a guaranteed run and therefore the most valuable, who cares if you strike out a bunch? » seems to have been adopted by the team, which, again, seems logical, but if you accept that mentality, you’re going to watch a lot of innings where the lead-off hitter hits a double off the wall and spends the next 5 minutes on 2nd base while the next two guys strike out and the third batter hits a warning track flyout to end the inning
Finally, as a team, we also seem to be bad at interpreting analytics. I still think about Scott Servais explaining why bringing in Robbie Ray to face Yordan Alvarez in the playoffs, despite the millions of people watching around the world knowing they were about to witness a walk-off, was actually the correct decision based on some piece of analytics that he was presumably ordered to follow before the game. Analytics are an important and valuable resource but all the data in the world doesn’t help if you use it to make stupid choices
Anyway I guess the point of all this is that the Mariners got rid of Eugenio Suarez and Teoscar Hernandez under the guise of « we have to cut down on strikeouts » because they presumably didn’t want to reveal the reason that they knew Suarez’ production was going to fall off a cliff and Teoscar’s .305 OBP combined with questionable fielding wasn’t worth keeping around. Unfortunately, their chosen explanation doesn’t work if they don’t actually do anything to cut down on strikeouts the following season, which they haven’t, unless the hitting coaches are saying « put the ball into play more, stop striking out » and the players are saying « fuck off, I want more home runs so I can make more money in free agency » but that doesn’t seem like it’s the case and also, if everyone on the team is ignoring the hitting coach, you have deeper issues that need to be solved first
How did they get rid of Hernandez and Suarez, who led the AL in strikeouts last season and got worse?
At least we’ll be the best at something 🥲
You’ll thank us later when we get the mound lowered again.
And yet they are still leading the AL west. Mighty impressive if you ask me.
I mean hey, it’s a new record (hang in there Seattle fans, it’ll be okay!
That can’t be. Jerry made a huge emphasis to cut down on strikeouts!
Top 4 Worst Seasons for Strikeouts in Mariners history
Rank|Year|Number of Strikeouts
:–|:–|:–
1|2023|1,603
2|2019|1,581
3|2021|1,492
4|2022|1,397
-|*2024*|*950*
The 2024 Mariners will probably hit 1K SOs in around 5-6 games, which would put them at 23rd in franchise history. 23rd in franchise history…WITH over 61 extra games to build upon it.
Jerry and Scott aren’t exactly…good at fixing the SO problem.
I know the kids don’t hate the Ks asich as they did back in the day, but this is ridiculous.
The Mariners’ personal mission as an organization is to make sure that both teams strike out as much as possible.
White Sox fans looking at this year’s Sox strikeout rate…
![gif](giphy|3o84szW0PrWZyUv0mA)
…and they’re in first place!!!
SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE!
This is boring as hell and we shouldn’t take it anymore!